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5 points by absz 6024 days ago | link | parent

I've been programming with given(s) for a little while now, and I really like it. Can't say why I'm so vehement, but it's definitely a Good Thing™. Thank you for bringing this up again (and a "thank you" to aidenn0, if he/she is still reading these fora, for suggesting this in the first place).


3 points by almkglor 6023 days ago | link

An interesting bit about 'givens is that it makes functional programming in an imperative style almost seamless:

  (givens f (car n)
          v f!v
          _ (prn v) ; v isn't being set properly in some cases for some reason...
          l (combinatorics f v)
          _ (prn l) ; debugprint
    (is l 'undef))

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2 points by bOR_ 6023 days ago | link

I'm not on anarki, but I've followed this discussion. If you use given rather than let and with, which of the two options below would come out?

arc> (= b "abba") "abba" arc> (let (a b) (list 1 2) (pr a b)) 121 arc> b "abba" arc> (with (a b) (list 1 2) (pr a b)) abbaabba"abba" arc>

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2 points by absz 6023 days ago | link

  arc> (given (a b) (list 1 2)
         (pr a b))
  121
The difference between given and let/with is that you cannot have more than one statement in the body of the given. For instance:

  arc> (given (a b) (list 1 2)
         (prn "Here")
         (pr a b))
  Error: "Can't understand fn arg list \"Here\""
What's happening here is that given is trying to bind (prn "Here") to (pr a b), but (naturally) can't bind a string; it takes the first n args, where n is the largest even number less than or equal to the number of arguments provided, and interprets them as variables. You must, therefore, write

  arc> (given (a b) (list 1 2)
         (do
           (prn "Here")
           (pr a b))
  Here
  121
.

Also, I highly recommend switching to Anarki. It's got bugfixes and enhancements galore (and even runs on the newest version of mzscheme).

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4 points by bOR_ 6022 days ago | link

So the main drawback of given is that you need to make your do explicit? mmm, I never liked it implicitly anyway ;).

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3 points by absz 6022 days ago | link

It's the only "drawback", if such it is. I feel that since you need extra parentheses for either the body or the variables, it's better to wrap the body in a do, since that's less common.

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