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1 point by Pauan 4998 days ago | link | parent

I'm fine with overloaded functions (assuming it makes sense to overload them). The problem isn't that + is overloaded to accept multiple types (that's fine). The problem is that it's trying to fulfill two different purposes at the same time (addition and concatenation), so there's inconsistencies with regard to numbers.

Thus, separating those two behaviors into two separate functions can make sense. In this case, it would be `join` being used for the current concatenate behavior, and `+` being used for numeric addition only. This would also allow us to sanely fix certain behaviors:

  (+ 5 "foo")    -> error
  (join 5 "foo") -> "5foo"
One downside with that approach is that `join` is 3 characters longer than `+`. Oh, and it would require changing `join` so it accepts non-conses, but I would consider that a good change, to be honest. It would allow for stuff like this:

  (join '(1 2 3) 4) -> (1 2 3 4)
By the way, I don't think it's a super big deal whether + handles non-numeric types or not. But at the same time, I can see some of the reasoning behind splitting addition/concatenation into two different functions.

P.S. With regard to the performance of a highly abstract Lisp written in itself, running on top of the Racket interpreter: given how slow Arc is in general, I doubt + is going to be the bottleneck.

P.P.S. I believe aw's post was mostly about preserving accuracy in those situations where you can't have any sort of rounding errors. Obviously the default + should behave as it currently does, coercing to the more abstract numeric type. However, in the situations where you need that precision, it might be nice to have a specialized + for that, like +-precise or whatever.



2 points by evanrmurphy 4998 days ago | link

"The problem is that it's trying to fulfill two different purposes at the same time (addition and concatenation), so there's inconsistencies with regard to numbers."

If your numbers were Church encoded, then I guess there wouldn't be a difference between addition and concatenation. XD (This is given that concatenating functions is the same as composing them.)

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1 point by Pauan 4998 days ago | link

Yeah, sure, and let's just use lambdas for everything:

  (def cons (x y) (fn (f) (f x y)))
  (def car (x) (x (fn (a b) a)))
  (def cdr (x) (x (fn (a b) b)))

  (car (cons 'a nil)) -> a
:P

On a semi-related note, I had an interest a while back for implementing a Lisp interpreter using only lambda-calculus. I'm still not sure if it's possible or not, but I wanted to give it a try.

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