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3 points by jivestgarden 6283 days ago | link | parent

The = macro looks into a database of settable functions and there is no way to update the database at array creation. In order to use = I must either change let, with, and withs, or, introduce settable accessors, such as aref, but as I said, accesssors are not nice (I use arrays a lot in common lisp, and the accessors are driving me mad). The <- is actually a lot more general than =; it can set anything that returns its own setter, not just arrays. It is not suited for hash-tables, though, since they are likely to contain the key Xsetter.


4 points by nex3 6283 days ago | link

Actually, with only a tiny modification of the core code and using tagging as a typing mechanism, you can set this sort of array in more or less the same way you set hashes:

  ; Added as line 454 of ac.scm:
  ((ar-tagged? fn) (ar-apply (ar-rep fn) args))

  ; Added to arc.arc
  (let old sref
    (def sref (com val ind)
      (if (no (isa com 'array)) (old com val ind)
        ((com 'setter) val ind))))

  ; Added at the end of your array code (or directly to make-array-wrapper)
  (let old make-array-wrapper
    (def make-array-wrapper (dim store)
      (annotate 'array (old dim store))))
If you don't want to patch that manually, I've added your array lib and my patches to the Anarkies.

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2 points by jivestgarden 6283 days ago | link

Patches are not a good thing since they breake the fundamental idea of arc: a language implmented in itself. Also you will soon run into trouble when introducing other array types, such are diagonal, bi-diagonal, tri-diagonal, upper-triangular, etc, and not to talk of foreign arrays, all requiring a new patch. (I can think 100 different array types, it should not require 100 patches.) However, it might be that a solution is to improve the arc type system itself, which seems over-simplified.

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3 points by nex3 6282 days ago | link

I disagree. If by "patch" you mean modifying the behavior of sref via Arc code, I think that's very much in tune with the fundamental principles of arc. I also think that working from basic principles - type, rep, and annotate (nee tag) - is a much more Arc-ish way to make a type system than having something deep and complex built in.

As for defining new accessors for every new type, it would be easy to modify sref to do a table like = does, and make defining accessors as easy as defset is now.

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1 point by jivestgarden 6282 days ago | link

I think we need to do both, both spawn functionality based on types, but also build more complex constructs at the the top of the simpler. The = and the <- do different things, the = depends on type, <- is a lot more general and depends on what the object itself returns. Arrays are higher order objects, and they depend on element-type, indexing, and, the physical store (currently only hash tables, but it should be raw memory segments for fast arrays) . So the true "type" of the array is a tuple of three (when i said 100 types I though about all the combinations. In reality there are infinitely many, but most them are not needed). In reality what I do in the library is to make a lexical type, that is created with the object, and is thrown away when its not needed anymore. However, a third possibility, is to make something like a template system. This is not easily done in CL, but should be possible in arc due to first class macros. How to actually do this, I do not know.

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